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by roel_v 3982 days ago
? Do you think people who are handing you the keys to at least 100k worth of property, with 2 months rent as a deposit if that, do not want to know who they're renting to?
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Because trawling your social media profiles is the only way to find out the relevant bits of information to base such a decision on? I wonder how landlords have dealt with this problem all that time before we had social media.

The words "false dichotomy" come to my mind. By your logic landlords are just handing contracts out at random if they can't stalk you online.

You're going too far in the opposite direction. It's simply another datapoint.

> I wonder how landlords have dealt with this problem all that time before we had social media.

They would ask for your previous landlords, and possibly call them for references. Maybe there was just more damage done back in those days, which is now preventable. I don't think they pay people to stalk social media for fun, there's probably a legitimate business practice behind it. Whether that improvement in their business performance is worth the loss of privacy is an open question and worth debate.

> By your logic landlords are just handing contracts out at random if they can't stalk you online.

What? They didn't say that. Don't put words into the parent's mouth. Strawmen are really poor argument opponents.

No not the only, but an accessible and easy one. And yes I've turned down prospective renters over what I found out about them online, which I wouldn't have found out 10 years ago.
Insurance... it's a thing.
No it's not, there is no economically sensible insurance against bad renters (in most of Europe that I know about).
Usually the property owner requires someone to have renters insurance in the US which covers dammage to an apartment.

UK has the same thing and I assume so does the rest of Europe. http://homelet.co.uk/tenants

Includes cover for accidental damage to your landlord’s property or furniture

I'd you mean failure to pay then that's a seperate issue, but does not risk 100+k property.

'Accidental' damage is the least of my worries; most of that is insured 2 or 3 times over. A fire can happen to all sorts of people. What I worry about when selecting tenants is

  - will these people keep 15 cats, despite the contract saying they can't, who will piss all over the place requiring new carpeting after they move out, or a rottweiler who will chew up all my door stiles (and good luck suing for and collecting damages from someone who doesn't have a regular income or even regular place of residence);

  - will this person come home drunk, loudly, at 2am three times a week, causing the neighbors (who pay in time and never give trouble) to move out, leaving me with the vacant property for some time and the work to find another tenant;

  - will this person pay in time, or will I have to call 3 times every month and even then only get paid in chunks most of the time;

  - will this person stay for a while or want to move out after 4 months, despite having signed a one year lease, leaving me with the trouble and time investment.
(all of these, and more that are too specific to mention publicly, actually happened to me)

Renting out property is not a high-margin business. 'Inefficiencies' like a unit being vacant for 2 months out of the year are the difference between 'better return than savings account' and 'I should have stuffed the money in a sock under my mattress'; and that's not even counting the work you have to put into it (advertising, showing people around, chasing payment, fixing things, court sessions, ...) (OK the last few years savings accounts yield 0, I'm talking about longer terms)

What I'm trying to say is - most renters think of their landlords as fat cats to whom they have to hand over 1/3rd of their monthly income for doing nothing. The reality is much more nuanced - yes it's a business, like any other, but a highly competitive one at that (in most markets); if I was 'rich' as most of them seem to assume, I sure as hell wouldn't be dealing with the hassle of being a landlord.

That really falls under cost of doing business. With some effort you can mitigate those issues, but they really don't end up costing you close to full property value the way a fire / flood might.

PS: IMO, it's important to separate the value of a property from the income stream it generates. Someone that's 3 weeks late every month in paying their rent you 250$/year in interest and some aggravation, but that's almost meaningless in the end just toss in a late fee and it tends to average out in the end.

How many properties do you manage?