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by fweespeech 3993 days ago
And the moment someone accidentally clicks the SPAM button you'll find yourself with weeks of pain on a low volume mail server.

Because, as an individual, you won't qualify for their FBL service and "mysteriously" you'll have weeks of everyone saying you end up in their spam folder.
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kyrra 3993 days ago
The Gmail team recently launched[0] PostMaster tools[1]. I'm not sure if everyone has access, but maybe it would help?

[0] http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2015/07/the-mail-you-want-not-...

[1] https://postmaster.google.com/

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nmjenkins 3992 days ago
You have to be a high volume sender with a good reputation (low spam reports) to get access to these tools.
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scintill76 3992 days ago
And they don't tell you whether you meet those criteria, until after you go to the trouble of logging in and serving a DNS TXT record for ownership verification, as I just found. Granted, I didn't expect to qualify, but it would have been nice if they'd told me up front.
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blfr 3992 days ago
Yes, but at least they're using the same verification mechanism as elsewhere so if you have already added the domain to Google Webmaster for example under the same Google Account, it will be automatically verified.
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massaman_yams 3992 days ago
The reputation requirements here are a very low bar; as far as I can tell it's effectively "don't be a botnet".
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sdenton4 3992 days ago
So they send you five million "I'm not a robot" recaptchas, and let you through if you only click one...
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lucb1e 3992 days ago
Fun, but it doesn't scale. Google can only do this because they have a near-monopoly on email. What would you say if I gave you tools to whitelist yourself on my email server? You'd tell me to get my spamfilter straight, or more likely, simply ignore me.

I'm not against Gmail, just like I'm not against Outlook.com or Yahoo mail or something. It's just that providing tools only work for players in a power position (i.e. Google) who can afford to ignore small players (i.e. me), and what's more, this further strengthens their power position: the better they can detect spam so more people will start using it (the postmaster tools are there to help people prove they are good, thus helping Gmail distinguish).

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fweespeech 3992 days ago
I don't have access unless I use work contacts to push and I won't do that.
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reitanqild 3992 days ago
I've seen otherwise intelligent people (not native English speakers but still) use mark as spam as an alternative to delete.

This was years ago but I guess that person was not alone.

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fweespeech 3992 days ago
Yeah. It happens and when it does, it isn't them that is negatively impacted but you :P
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