[nicboobees]

People will always use "old tech".

"Old tech" often just works. Flawlessly. I have a dumper truck I borrow from next door. Crank handle, diesel. It just works. Starts every time. No battery, no crap to go wrong.

"new tech" is often designed to last 5 or 10 years maximum. After that is anyones guess as to whether it'll work.

[userbinator]

No battery, no crap to go wrong.

Incidentally, mechanical diesels are also immune to EMP. All they need is fuel and air. Not true of newer electronically controlled ones, which is done mainly to reduce emissions.

The compression-ignition characteristic also means diesels have this rather spectacular failure mode: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_engine_runaway

[bloat]

I was going to moan at you about how an old car would produce much more pollution than a newer car. But then I looked it up:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/green-motoring/11187483/...

[a3n]

I bought a new Honda in 1990. I just now passed it on to my son, and bought a two year old Toyota.

Think of all those cars that didn't get built because I drove the same car for 25 years. I thought about that often.

The only time it didn't pass emissions test is the gas cap didn't seal properly. Bought a five dollar cap and was good to go.

And it gets 35 mph in daily commuting.

[michael_h]

My first car was a 1974 VW Beetle (this was late 90's) - it got 65-70 MPG.

I loved that thing. If you turned on the original heating system, you'd die of carbon monoxide poisoning, but I loved it.

[dalke]

You've a bit of survivor bias. Old tech that is still running is likely to last a while more. But all of the old tech that was designed with planned obsolescence in mind doesn't work any more, so you don't think of it. That is, "old tech" was once "new tech." There's also the old tech that wasn't designed to last long, like adobe mud walls.

Some old tech doesn't work flawlessly. Steam power vehicles, like locomotives, cars, and tractors, require more maintenance than their new tech replacements.

[nicboobees]

Look at sewing machines though. They used to be made of cast iron and wood. They were built properly, and it shows. They still work 50 or 60 years later. Modern day sewing machines are made of cheap plastic and flimsy metal. They last 5 years.

Yeah there's some survivor bias, but the materials used to make things in the olden days was just better material. On the down side, sewing machines used to cost a months wages or something.

[dalke]

Some materials in "the olden days" were indeed better. We don't have the old growth timber to make cheap, high-quality wood like we did.

But not all materials are better. Celluloid is the first thermoplastic, and the first material used for movie films, but it's highly flammable and has been replaced by acetate film. Celluloid was also used to replace ivory in billiard balls, which was better than the clay and wood balls used earlier. All of those materials are worse for professional play than modern billiard balls made from composite plastics.

You brought up sewing machine. Sewing machines were made in the hundreds of millions. What you see are the ones that weren't trash and were maintained. Here's a page complaining about people complaining about people selling old sewing machines that mostly useful as "boat anchors" http://runningstitches-mkb.blogspot.se/2012/08/open-letter-t... . Quoting one example, "I'm not impressed when you tell me your 1950 Singer has "only been used twice to sew on patches" (note: I am not making this up!) If this machine has been sitting unused in an attic for half a century, it is most likely frozen or seized up."

Quite clearly a lot of old sewing machines do not "still work 50 or 60 years later."

A Singer 201, which is widely considered the classic sewing machine, cost 6 months wages, not the 1 month you think it was. See http://www.sewalot.com/singer_201k_sewalot.htm . (Also, Singer switched from cast iron to aluminum a bit over 60 years ago, so your timeline is a bit off.) There are a lot of crappy modern sewing machines in the <1 week's salary range. But that's hardly a fair comparison, is it? Plus, how many of those have an original motor that's been in use for 60+ years without wearing out?

My Mom has a cast iron Singer 201. Which she loves even though it only does straight stitches. She also has several other sewing machines. She still uses her Bernina from the 1980s. So at least some modern (less that 50 years old) machines can and do last longer than 5 years.

Finally, there are plenty of sewing machines on eBay from the 1950s and early, for cheap. What is the reason that they aren't scooped up if they are of significantly higher quality than modern machines?

[rpcope1]

Speaking of old diesel tech that just works and will be here forever, if you're in the U.S., it's still possible to pick up an M35A2 on the cheap (like ~$2000 cheap), and they'll run just about any fuel (multi-fuel Hercules diesel FTW), and are almost indestructible by normal means. They are also far less temperamental than many older trucks. You just need anchor arms to steer it and the ability to drive stick shift.

[cherry_su]

To add to your last statement, it seems like cars are engineered for the length of a typical lease. Afterwards, nondeterministic electric gremlins start showing themselves.