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by johrn 3998 days ago
> I would like reddit to be a place for completely free, uncensored expression.

This is nice in theory, but it basically requires defending the rights of hate groups to silence those they hate. It's hard to freely express yourself when there are people calling for your extermination, or treating everything you say as if it came from the mouth of a five year old.
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baddox 3998 days ago
Why would the targets of hate speech be in subreddits dedicated to that hate speech?
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johrn 3998 days ago
They wouldn't be, but neither is that hate speech limited to the subreddits that are dedicated for it.

I am 100% certain that I could go to the comments of any top post on pics, videos, funny, games and probably a dozen other default subs and find some hate speech with a positive score.

Remove the subreddits that these people call home, and they automatically feel less welcomed on the site.

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baddox 3998 days ago
> I am 100% certain that I could go to the comments of any top post on pics, videos, funny, games and probably a dozen other default subs and find some hate speech with a positive score.

You're saying you could go look for hate speech and find it. That doesn't seem all that troubling to me. Don't go look for it, and you will find it much less frequently.

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johrn 3998 days ago
Maybe it's not as troubling if it needs to be searched for. But it doesn't need to be searched for. It's everywhere on the defaults, that's the troubling part. You don't have to go to a specifically racist subreddit to see racism. You don't have to go to a specifically woman-hating subreddit to see misogyny.

I'm saying that it is everywhere. Not "I could find some hatred in some submissions", but "I could find hatred in any submission".

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baddox 3998 days ago
This discussion is not about reddit announcing to more strictly moderate the default subbreddits. I think they would be wise to do that, and I would have very little problem with it (especially personally, since I don't subscribe to hardly any of the defaults).
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johrn 3998 days ago
The discussion here in this specific chain of comment started because I responded to this:

> I would like reddit to be a place for completely free, uncensored expression.

By saying:

> This is nice in theory, but it basically requires defending the rights of hate groups to silence those they hate.

Allowing the hate groups a home on reddit makes them feel comfortable. Deleting the hate group subreddits reduces their ability to silence others. It sends a message to both the haters and their targets that the hate is not welcome.

If it's a choice between censoring a bunch of evil bigots, and letting their uncensored speech censor the people they hate, I will pick censoring the bigots every time.

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