[apta]

> No, it's not fair to say that. Israel was created as the result of jews struggling for around 70 years to found a homeland.

Why did the Palestenians have to pay the price and get kicked out of their homes then? If anything, Germany should have offered them a home given what the Nazi regime did to them.

[tome]

Well that's a separate question which I don't have a complete answer for, but I will note that the number of displaced people at the formation of Israel is not particularly notable given the sizes of population transfers that happened around that time for the formation, or reformation, of nation states.

[apta]

That makes it right then? What about the number of people killed since that time? And the complete destabilization and polarization of the region due to what happened?

[tome]

This is very much off-topic, but briefly: Iraq vs ISIS vs Assad vs Al Nusra vs Hezbollah has absolutely nothing to do with Israel. Qadafi, Saddam and Khomenei had absolutely nothing to do with Israel. The destabilization and polarization of the Middle East has nothing to do with Israel. If anything, Israel unites the arabs in hatred against it.

[apta]

I agree to some extent. At the same time though, ISIS and AlNusra arose because Iraq was invaded and their government destroyed, and the existence of Israel played a big role in facilitating that. The US had to step in to defend its ally in the region.

Look today at how everyone wants to stop the Iranian (and previously, the Iraqi) regime from acquiring nuclear arms, whereas North Korea is getting away with whatever they want. Even though their government is arguably much, much worse in practically every front than the Iranian and Iraqi regimes.

[tome]

I think you'll find the proximity to the world's largest oil reserves is the overriding concern, not proximity to Israel.

[apta]

So, the US is using Israel as a means of getting to oil reserves? :-)