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> 'Cause I'd say, grab a shotgun and shoot in their general direction.

This is terrible advice.

The chance that you are the victim of a serial killer is so vanishingly small as to be not worth considering. Therefore if you have an intruder in your home, they are almost certainly after your property.

I would hope that any moral human being would not value property over a human being's life.

Therefore the best outcome which preserves human life is to simply let the intruder take your property and leave. They're almost certainly in a hurry to do so.

Involving a firearm escalates the situation unnecessarily and raises your own chances of death from very very unlikely to probably 50/50 (stat pulled from my butt).

If, on the other hand, you do believe that lethal force is justified to protect property then you have a miss aligned moral compass.

[nicksardo]

When a stranger is in my home at 3am while my spouse and two kids are upstairs sleeping, I won't risk judging what he/she will or will not do. Even if I were alone, I wouldn't take that chance. My intention is not to preserve "human life" but the lives of my family and myself.

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> My intention is not to preserve "human life" but the lives of my family and myself.

The irony of course is that (statistically speaking) you would be vastly lowering you and your family's chances of surviving the event.

The chance that the intruder is there to murder you is ridiculously minuscule. It's so small that the people that do indiscriminately enter homes to murder get special nicknames like "Zodiac Killer" and Hollywood makes films about them.

Worrying about this type of intruder is irrational. Pulling a gun turns what is almost certainly a routine burglary into a life and death situation.

[nicksardo]

First, your statistics are moot.

As I just said, a statistic is still a risk. A risk I will not take when it comes to family. You play it your way; I'll play it mine.

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> You play it your way; I'll play it mine.

Of course. I just find the idea of guns making you safe so laughably absurd (and provably false). I'm sure they make you feel safer though. Maybe that's worth something.

Here's a good comedy skit about gun ownership (NSFW)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl--YVnni0I

[nicksardo]

Guns don't make me feel safe. Being properly trained on how to use defensive force makes me feel safe.

The error in your logic is that you're imagining yourself with a weapon, which indeed, is laughable and provably unsafe.

Edit: not going to bother replying and further make this thread a gun debate. Just want to state that YouTube videos of comedic skits and accidents doesn't nullify any argument. Humans will make mistakes; that's a fact of life.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YqcvuRRggM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUonA66btgI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK_1yDAqsnM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hvfbikv0gBc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WChMcDCMgGw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjCczTWqKx8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycTwaROa1I0

2mins of youtubing. These examples never end! But you, your wife, your kids. You'd never make these kinds of stupid mistakes.

edit: there must be thousands of these self proclaimed gun pros out there here's another beauty

https://youtu.be/v-i8dtulUYU?t=165

love the facial reaction.

edit 2: these videos literally never end on YouTube. Here are another 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv89_3rrW8Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTGDKe-uy3E

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> Humans will make mistakes; that's a fact of life.

I agree. This is a fact of life. This combined with the utterly vanishingly tiny chance that you will be the victim of a serial killer make gun ownership for the purpose of safety absurd.

Own a gun all you want. But at least realize that you and your family are actually less safe because of it!