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by debacle 3990 days ago
This is completely untrue. People talk about salary in other places of the world very regularly, because it is often public.

People don't talk about salary in the US because companies will fire you for it.

Edit: See kasey_junk's response and my follow-up.

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It's illegal to do what you're describing.

"Your right to discuss your salary information with your coworkers is protected by the federal government. The National Labor Relations Act states that employers can't ban the discussion of salary and working conditions among employees."

http://work.chron.com/can-tell-coworkers-salary-7204.html

Edit: Just saw that response and while I agree that you can be fired for any reason...that could be for anything at all. The only reason most companies are going to fire you is if:

a) You aren't doing the job you were hired to do b) You are creating a negative work environment. Actively trying to discuss salaries publicly at the company could definitely do that, depending on the type of and size of the company. Creating resentment definitely can cause problems but it's all situational. The situation that you saw first hand could have been as simple as you describe it or there could have been other contributing factors that you aren't aware of.

Being fired on a hair trigger for something like that seems extremely unlikely. Businesses don't go through the hiring, interview, background check and training only to fire somebody because they went against a rule in the book. Companies hire people for to do jobs because they need them to do that job and they value that performance.

A lot of illegal things happen all the time (wage theft, salary collusion, 1099 exploitation). Worker protections in the US have no teeth.
> A lot of illegal things happen all the time (wage theft, salary collusion, 1099 exploitation). Worker protections in the US have no teeth.

There's probably some lack of teeth issues, but I think the biggest issue is that people are just culturally conditioned not to take advantage of the protections that exist.

Definitely agree. Wanting worker protections is seen as socialist, unionist, and lazy.
Most discussions about salary are federally protected in the US and backed up by court decisions in nearly every state. If you get fired for talking about salary you almost certainly can seek redress from the National Labor Relations Board.
Companies usually wouldn't fire you for talking about salary but they will find another reason to fire you for talking about salary.

I've seen people get fired for being late to a meeting once. The real reason they got fired was something else but on paper and what they told the person was for being late.

You are completely correct, however I have personally seen two employee handbooks that forbid discussing salary and, living in an at-will state, I'm sure if I discussed salary I would be fired for something completely unrelated.
I have as well and have pointed out that it is probably illegal and potentially opens them to civil liability.

I've also seen manager training materials that specifically tell managers not to even hint that salary is a secret topic as the liability involved is problematic.

It is one thing to claim that worker protections don't exist, its another to claim that you refuse to take advantage of them.

It's still true that you have limited practical redress if you're fired (especially in an at-will state).
I've also seen an employee handbook that forbid salary discussions. When I politely pointed out to them (with references) said statement was illegal, the response I got was very cold.
and your last statement is untrue:

http://www.npr.org/2014/04/13/301989789/pay-secrecy-policies...

"Under the National Labor Relations Act, enacted in 1935, private-sector employees have the right to engage in "concerted activities for the purpose of collective bargaining or other mutual aid or protection."

The language is somewhat antiquated, but according to Estlund, "it means that you and your co-workers get to talk together about things that matter to you at work.""

Yeah, but this doesn't prevent a lot of employers from attempting to ban discussion in their employee handbooks. And it's not widely known that such bans are illegal. It's so common it's included in a lot of boilerplate and is de facto accepted as the reality by many (if not most) people.