[blaincate]

I have been a python appengine user for last 2-3 years. It is really useful to get a prototype out fast.

But MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR Painpoints are:

- User : only google account supported

- email : only can use <appid>@appspotmail.com

- Image upload support

otherwise very nifty to get a site out in less than a day!

[blaincate]

- I have to search for oAUTH and use it . And having used django user authentication, something similar would be really useful.

- mail : send email on behalf of app users : not supported. Need to integrate with sendgrid or third party libray . native support would be good.

- Image : I could use the blob earlier, but now blobs are deprecated, and need to use google cloud.

I am not regular web developer, so other people may have valid points.

[markdown]

> mail : send email on behalf of app users : not supported. Need to integrate with sendgrid or third party libray . native support would be good.

Could you explain this? You want to send outgoing email with your users email addresses in the FROM field?

> Image : I could use the blob earlier, but now blobs are deprecated, and need to use google cloud.

Could you please explain how this is a bad thing? Doesn't google cloud make things easier and faster?

[dragonwriter]

> And having used django user authentication, something similar would be really useful.

How about exactly that on App Engine, rather than just something similar: https://www.allbuttonspressed.com/projects/djangoappengine

[d_luaz]

- User: I usually just skip this service and use OAuth + Login management library

- Email: I remember it works with gmail; you can overwrite the "reply-to" header.

- Image Upload: seems to work fine by uploading to blobstore or GCS. Image serving is superb with images.get_serving_url!

[moistgorilla]

What do people mean by "only google account supported", I've been building a web app with app engine and I just ran my own auth using passlib and it's worked fine. I also don't see how they can prevent you from adding oauth from different services onto your app.

The problem I ran into was that with python you could only use certain native libraries provided by google. To use third part unsupported libraries in python you had to do a hack where you submit them with the app but I managed to get it working with a bit of fiddling.

[dragonwriter]

Presumably, he means the built in Users service only supports Google Accounts [0].

[0] Though this is true only in terms of stable features; it does have experimental support for OpenID identifiers.

[superuser2]

Can you not use the REST API of Postmark, Sendgrid, etc?

[markdown]

> User : only google account supported

Isn't google account support one account more than you'll get at AWS or Heroku or anywhere else? Why is this a MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR painpoint?

> email : only can use <appid>@appspotmail.com

Not true at all. You can use any email address simply by adding it to your permissions list.

> Image upload support

What does this mean? I've built a few photography apps on GAE and had no issues with image upload. What do you mean specifically?

These MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR painpoints aren't work mentioning in the review of a service if they are also MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR painpoints everywhere else.

[gtaylor]

> These MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR painpoints aren't work mentioning in the review of a service if they are also MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR painpoints everywhere else.

blaincate wasn't doing a full review. They merely provided some very useful observations.

Simmer down. You have been zealously defensive about App Engine throughout this whole comment section.

[markdown]

> They merely provided some very useful observations.

Except they're false. False claims + Heroku promotion in a GAE announcement thread. Stay classy, people.

There are lots of bad things to say about GAE without peddling nonsense.

They won't let you run any python module with C code... which means you can forget about using BCRYPT or SCRYPT, for example.

Their image manipulation and edge caching service won't handle any photo wider than 1600px.

Domain name management is shit... you have to use Google Apps if you want that.

[jfoster]

Regarding the email issue, the addresses that you are able to add to the permissions list are very limited.

https://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=2...

[pokstad]

E-mail is restricted to 100 mails per day. App engine doesn't provide any listed prices for paid accounts. What happens after 100 emails?

[dsymonds]

Email is only limited to 100/day for free apps.

https://cloud.google.com/appengine/docs/quotas#Mail

[pokstad]

No, you have to explicitly request an increase.

See this page: https://cloud.google.com/appengine/docs/quotas#Mail

"The daily email quota for billing-enabled apps depends on which billing system your app is using. See Increasing your Daily Mail Quota below to learn how to increase the quota in each case."

Once you go to the referenced page (https://cloud.google.com/appengine/docs/quotas#up_mail_quota), you find this:

"When you enable billing, the email quota remains at 100 messages per day. You must explicitly request a higher mail quota. Go to the Quota Details page of the Admin Console and scroll to the Mail section. There you'll find a link to submit a request for additional email quota. After you submit the request you can monitor its status by visiting the same link again. This will display a page that shows the status of the request: whether the request has been granted, is under review, or has been denied. If the request is granted it may be several minutes before the new quota of 20,000 messages per day takes effect. If the request is denied you cannot make another request to increase mail quota until some time has passed.

If your app needs to send more than 20,000 messages per day, you can sign up for a support package which entitles you to ask for a higher quota."

[dsymonds]

So it's not "restricted to 100 mails per day". It's limited to 20,000 per day, and that's only until you sign up for support.