[carrotleads]

it baffles me how devs can work for those rates...

no wonder I still see Ads for C++ contracts in Melbourne for $50/hr for a mid-senior level job... clearly there are people who work at those rates...

the biggest thing holding dev salaries back is cause many devs love what they do..

[J_Darnley]

Oh I'm sorry that we can't all live in the programmers' utopia that you apparently inhabit where the pay is a thousand dollars per keystroke. Be thankful you have a fucking job!

I would work for $10, not per hour just ten dollars, because it would be more than the zero I earn right now.

[carrotleads]

I understand it is a relative...

but the rates should be similar to what is earnt by other professionals.. in this case the rates seemed to be at burger flipping ones for the region..

basically I feel lots of devs are underselling themselves..

[shoo]

I guess it depends where you're living, and what opportunities you are aware of - or are available to you - and what your next best alternative is.

If you really need the money and don't have another option then working for a very modest quantity of money sure seems like a much better deal than working for none at all.

[k__]

Also the unawareness happens in the other direction too.

I know a bunch of freelancers who get paid a ridiculous amount of money for simple web-dev stuff, just because the companies they work for don't know anything about this and are simply happy to have found a dev.

[carrotleads]

That may well be the case but a dev should not trade his/her time at similar rates to other skills that didn't take much time/effort to learn..

dev skill isn't a common one, it takes a special kind of mindset to be a half decent dev...

[ionised]

Developer roles in the UK pay very poorly for the most part.

We don't seem to be valued much at all.

[omouse]

because we're constantly told that we're lucky to be working on something cool that we usually love to do. we're lucky to have air-conditioned offices and internet access all day.