[willtim]

The language is more restrictive and sometimes it's harder to get something working. Of course the payoff is immense, you end up with much more maintainable and composable code. However I'm not convinced that many enterprises care much about these properties, as they are often more of a long term win. People also have an emotional attachment to their existing tools and paradigms.

[sheepmullet]

"Of course the payoff is immense, you end up with much more maintainable and composable code. However I'm not convinced that many enterprises care much about these properties, as they are often more of a long term win"

Actually, you have it backwards. Enterprises care a great deal about long term maintenance and have large codebases. However, they are also very conservative and prefer the tried and tested approach.

Startups don't typically care about maintenance because, for the most part, they are going for a binary win/lose outcome where in a win they have so many resources that 5x higher maintenance costs are ok, and in the lose they close up shop/pivot and throw the code out. And startups are usually more open to taking a chance on new/different tech.

If there were 3-4 large enterprise companies with 200kloc+ Haskell projects in use I feel Haskell could see long term 20-30% uptake in the enterprise. But few enterprises will take the risk of being one of the first.

[MichaelGG]

Well their idea of maintainable is different. They often worry about having to hire intelligent programmers versus whatever mass produced workers.

Same thinking that leads to not using type inference because it's "harder to read".

[tome]

> If there were 3-4 large enterprise companies with 200kloc+ Haskell projects in use I feel Haskell could see long term 20-30% uptake in the enterprise

I would be very surprised if there were not tens of companies with 200kloc+ Haskell codebases. I know that one of them is an enormous enterprise (but the others that I know of are not).

[crimsonalucard]

What company? I would like to know.

[tome]

Standard Chartered.

[willtim]

I never compared enterprises to startups. I also wouldn't want to generalise. Some enterprises I know have millions of lines of Python code. Personally I'm skeptical that such a codebase is going to be maintainable and that they even 'care a great deal'.