[TeMPOraL]

> a complete ignorance of social factors.

Maybe that's why I like Lisp so much. Because "social factors" are so frikkin' annoying and irrelevant and I feel the world would be so much better for everyone if we stopped paying so much attention to them as we do now.

[CamTin]

To formulate this a little more nicely, I might say instead that there is a real need for "intimate" languages, just as there is a need for "collaborative" languages.

As an example, the shells on my personal machines are often customized beyond the comprehension of anyone who isn't me, with tons of two-letter aliases and bash functions, cryptic environment variables, and a $PATH that's several terminal lines long, filled with labrythine symlinks and oneliners that I've accumulated over the years. Many people have similarly elaborate and impenetrable emacs configurations.

That's fine, since this is my personal environment, but at work (I'm a sysadmin, more or less) I'm still able to use more-or-less bash, and even write portable shell scripts that eschew bash-isms. Similarly, all that horrible e-lisp powering super-personalized workflows doesn't prevent someone from writing an emacs mode that they can share with others, the point being that a language that enables customization is great, because you can always just not do that and write code that others will find comprehensible.

Conversely, if your language forces you to write in a collaborative style, you can't gain efficiencies in your private use of it.

[TeMPOraL]

> To formulate this a little more nicely, I might say instead that there is a real need for "intimate" languages, just as there is a need for "collaborative" languages.

That's a... way of putting it I've never seen before. I'll remember the concept of "intimate" vs. "collaborative" language for the future.

Personally, even though I write a lot of Lisp and live inside Emacs, my environment seems to be quite... standard. The "collaborative" mindset is emphasized in pretty much every programming book out there, and I must have acquired this kind of weird fear of overcustomizing my environment thanks to it.