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by arianvanp 4006 days ago
Just after the pressure event you see Dragon being slung off the rocket... If only it was possible to deploy the parachutes during launch we could've hypothetically saved the payload.

I wonder if the launch abort mechanism on the Dragon V2 would've been of any help here too to jettison it safely away from the rocket.

I read the rocket was around maximum dynamic pressure during the event (Or just after?) and I'm not sure if it would stand such forces of a jettison during such time.

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WRT max-Q its a meme that won't go away because the most "interesting" thing on the public PR timelines before the incident was max-q. However dynamic pressure drops off extremely quickly due to altitude (low air pressure) and max-Q was a good while before the incident, so it wasn't a direct issue. It could obviously be an indirect issue if something started to buckle a minute previous or shook loose and for whatever reason a minute later it burst, perhaps as pressure built up or something.

The other meme is there are or have been rockets or overall systems with flight profiles and designs that have unsurvivable portions of the flight. Or only extremely theoretically survivable. Think of the old shuttle system, for example. A RTLS abort was theoretically survivable, but lets be realistic here... However the space-x guys are extremely proud that they designed an overall system that has no unsurvivable by design flight portions, and also very proud that they did a test flight with a separation near max-q specifically to prove it would work just fine even at max-q...

One interesting problem with a structural failure at that speed is it could be hard computationally to tell the difference between some irrelevant pogo-ing or vibration vs 50 ms later half the rocket is flying sideways, at which point it might be unsurvivable. Bad car analogy is I can jump out of an airplane with a parachute at 100 MPH and all turns out just fine, but randomly getting tossed out of a 100 MPH car isn't going to likely end very well even if under ideal conditions its no big deal.

> the space-x guys are ... very proud that they did a test flight with a separation near max-q specifically to prove it would work just fine even at max-q…

The in-flight abort test for Dragon v2 is scheduled to occur later this year. It hasn't occurred yet. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_V2#Flight_testing

Also note that Dragon v2 was not on this mission and won't fly to space for a while. This was a Dragon v1 mission. Dragon v1 is unmanned and has no launch abort capability.

You are completely correct that they haven't flown it. When I wrote that, I must have been thinking about the successful pad abort a couple months ago.
No, Max-Q is much earlier in the flight. They were very close to the end of the first stage burn.
> we could've hypothetically saved the payload.

As I understand it, the primary payload (the new international docking adaptor for the ISS) wasn't in the Dragon capsule itself, so it wouldn't have been saved even if the Dragon was recovered (sadly).

If it wasn't in dragon, how was it going to get to the ISS?
Sorry, I wasn't very clear–it is in the Dragon, but it's not in the pressurised 'nose' part (which I believe is the part that's jettisoned in an emergency, but I'm not actually sure about that? perhaps I'm wrong). Instead, it was in the unpressurised 'trunk'.

See this image: http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Z8...

"Dragon also will use its unpressurized trunk to deliver the first International Docking Adapter to enable future commercial crew vehicles to dock to the station."

https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/spacex_...

They've previously used the trunk for a payload on CRS-2, CRS-3 and CRS-5. You can see a video of how it works in CRS-5 here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXfOOIYWGF8

(Really cool video by the way!)

The trunk does come with the capsule during launch abort for Dragon 2. It has fins on it to provide aerodynamic stabilization during the abort.

However, the trunk is later jettisoned, so only the capsule is recovered in the end.

http://www.spacex.com/sites/spacex/files/padabortinfographic...