[joshstrange]

> Zenefits doesn't have any intrinsic rights to ADP's system.

Zenefits doesn't want or need intrinsic rights to the ADP system. They do need (and deserve) the same level of access as a human working for a client using ADP. They might provide little to no value or be a worthless company but NONE OF THAT MATTERS. The client paid for ADP access and has every right to use whatever means they deem necessary to input or output data from the ADP system.

[mikeryan]

The client paid for ADP access and has every right to use whatever means they deem necessary to input or output data from the ADP system.

Thats not actually what the client pays for though. The client paid for access to ADP's system according to the Terms of Service that ADP sets. If those terms of service and the rights they engender are not acceptable to the client they are welcome to find another provider.

I've frequently posted my dislike for ADP on these boards and I took my business elsewhere.

[neotek]

>The client paid for ADP access and has every right to use whatever means they deem necessary to input or output data from the ADP system.

Surely ADP has a superseding right to determine how information enters and leaves their system? I'm not suggesting that's good or bad, just pointing out that it's their system, being a customer doesn't give you carte blanche to do whatever you like.

Hell, look at what happened to Aaron Swartz.

[eveningcoffee]

> Surely ADP has a superseding right to determine how information enters and leaves their system?

No. They do not own this information.

[BasDirks]

What happened to Aaron is a good reason to give them the finger.

[otterley]

The system in question was clearly built to meet the scale of human users, not synchronization with third-party automation systems. That, to me, is the issue here - not the question of access, but of purpose.

ADP is clearly responding to a capacity issue but Zenefits is attempting to frame it as a competitive one.

[slg]

>They do need (and deserve) the same level of access as a human working for a client using ADP.

What is the scale of Zenefits' access? Do they function like a human or as a machine? Isn't treating machines differently than humans a well accepted standard of the tech industry? Why else would Robots.txt exist?

[stoic]

well, they have the rights granted within the acceptable use policy agreed upon in their ADP contract, anyway

[baakss]

Similar argument for those who bot in video games, not that it works.