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by igurari 4032 days ago
> So I’m now seeing that NLP (Natural Language Processing) as confirmed by Quora, is hard, meaning that Westlaw and Lexis Nexis is actually pretty decent?!

NLP and search are hard to get right in a nuanced and high-accuracy-requiring field like law. And Westlaw and LexisNexis have done a pretty good job with those. It's not easy (or rather, it's not cheap -- think tens of millions of dollars) to build what they have built. Even Google hasn't with Scholar -- though to be fair, Google hasn't tried very hard to get legal search to that level.

Ultimately, in the future legal search is not going to be a money maker, and Westlaw and LexisNexis will take a big hit when free happens.

As I see it (i.e., from the vantage point of Judicata), search will ultimately be free, just as Google search is free. And just as Google has been able to make boatloads of money on "ancillaries" to the results (ads), the ancillaries will be the big money makers here -- but in the forms of extremely precise analytics and AI. Want to see cases Shepardized on an individual point of law, and other on-point or conflicting cases? Here it is, for a price. Given a set of facts and a procedural context, want to know the best argument to make to a particular judge? Here it is, again for a price. Given a legal brief presenting your opponent’s argument, want to see a line by line teardown? Here it is, and once again, for a price. Want your own legal brief automatically outlined? You’ve got it, and again, it costs money.

Of course, getting there is not easy (it’s a long road that requires going over every single case out there with a fine toothed technological comb), and so while I'd say that Westlaw's and LexisNexis's days are numbered -- that number is well over a thousand.

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Yeah, I'm certainly curious about Judicata. For anyone wondering where Judicata is in terms of progress, I found this comment from someone purportedly involved in the startup: "Judicata is very much alive. We're tackling a hard problem, with little margin for error, and focused on doing it right. It's a very different model than most startups, but then again, law is a very different beast." https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9528321
Your quoted comment came from me (I'm the author of the above comment as well), the CEO of Judicata.
Major fail on my part. I have a habit of not looking at usernames, and I'm embarrassed. My apologies.
I'm not sure I'd give away subscription fees. This is a B2B industry with clients who are ready to pay big bucks for a superior service.
That's certainly a reasonable perspective, and one I take very seriously. (And to be clear, I didn't mean to suggest that services should be based on a la carte pricing instead of subscriptions.)

From a long-term industry perspective, though, I think there are several reasons not to try to milk money out of search (and I think any company that is serious about dislodging Wexis should think hard about these): # In the short term it's a competitive advantage. Free is better than absurdly expensive or even relatively cheap. That competitive advantage may be enough to get very significant traction. Also, Google Scholar is already free, so paid offerings need to be substantially better than that. # Search is a gateway, and its a sticky one at that. For many (most?) people, Google is how they enter the internet. Google has built internet dominance out of search. Having people on your site multiple times a day provides a great opportunity to earn trust and layer on additional services. # Search is ultimately a low yield service. Once finding information gets easy (and everyone will be reasonably good at it in the legal space in 5-10 years), evaluating which is the best bit of information will become the main problem. For example, it's not hard to get a listing of all the restaurants in an area; but figuring out which one I'd like best is far trickier and something I'd pay for. Network effects will help with that, so getting large numbers of users is important. # The future of legal research (5-10 years out) is in analytics and AI, not search. So the race will be won by whoever produces high quality products in those areas first. # Web based services tend to be dominated by a single winner that achieves network effects (e.g., Google, Amazon, Facebook) and I expect legal research will be the same. So second place probably still means that you fail.

This has already started to happen in Canada: www.CanLII.org.