[Alex3917]

> It always feels like they are trying to make the last stand of humanitarian values against the dictat of science.

Except for that in reality the legitimacy of science becomes more and more tenuous with each passing year. In the past 40+ years there have been few if any major advances in the scientific process that have seen wide adoption, despite the innumerable problems that have come to light. And not only have there been no major improvements, but things have actually gotten significantly worse thanks to the corporatization and gamification of academia, the increasing use of proprietary technologies and source code, etc.

[voronoff]

Computerized statistics and online journals/digitized libraries are ENORMOUS advancements in the scientific process.

[aout]

True, but humanitarian values do not need a last stand. So how do you discuss with someone being this radical with reasonable arguments? I don't feel like "you can't" is an answer :/