[sliverstorm]

You're probably right that firewalls allow negligence elsewhere.

But if they can't secure their one firewall, what makes you think they can secure their complex network of a plethora of interdependent services running across many subdomains on a whole roomfull of machines?

"Simple" is a key step to effective security, and I think the reason we've latched on to firewalls is they are often the simplest, most contained, and most standard way to reduce the attack surface of your network.

[joshrivers]

I think in many cases you will be right and 'they' won't be able to secure it. This will force them to contact out those applications to someone who can. Plenty of SaaS providers able to secure a network. Just because my incompetent I.T. Guy can't properly harden a mail server doesn't mean we can't hire Rackspace or Microsoft or someone else who can. Let's incentivize competence, not hide incompetence.

[kibibu]

Not all services are capable of "hardening" due to software quality. Not everything is written as tightly as Qmail