[3am]

"Those fears were not in the slightest irrational. People had really really bad reactions to the regular pertussis to the point that people routinely advised new parents not to get it for their children."

Simply not true. You can easily find my citations (including CDC). Please provide yours.

"So what's better a vaccine that doesn't work as well, that people are willing to take? Or a vaccine that works well, but far fewer people are willing to take it?"

The risk from Pertussis is greater than that of DTAP by a lot. This is like suggesting we take away seat belts because some people believe they'll trap them in a burning vehicle.

[ars]

> The risk from Pertussis is greater than that of DTAP by a lot

The risk from Pertussis TODAY is greater than that of DTaP.

But when aP was first introduced the risk of pertussis was LOWER than the risk of the Pertussis vaccine, for the simple reason that Pertussis was almost unheard of, but bad reactions to the Pertussis vaccine were quite common.

There's a reason they switched to aP you know, it wasn't in order to weaken the vaccine.

[bsder]

He asked for data and citation. Your claims should be easily documentable since companies did switch and presumably did so for a reason.

So, provide the citation or shut up.

[feybay]

Why do you guys get so angry at anything vaguely anti-any vaccine?

[bsder]

Why do anti-vaccine people get so upset when told to produce factual evidence?

The problem is that anti-vaccine sentiment is NOT harmless.

Anti-vaccine sentiment means we now have diseases killing children that were effectively eradicated 20 years ago.

Anti-vaccine sentiment means that we don't have a Lyme disease vaccination because the cost of fighting anti-vaxxers exceeds the profit from selling the vaccine.

So, if we look at the balance, anti-vaccination causes real, demonstrable problems while pro-vaccination has yet to have any demonstrated factual downside.

So, yeah, we now have preventable diseases running amok because the logical community was tolerant about anti-vaccination instead of stomping the anti-vaxxers into the ground like they so richly deserved.

Now does the vitriol make sense?

[feybay]

The attitude seems a bit out of place but I understand your position more now. Thank you.

[brazzledazzle]

>The attitude seems a bit out of place

Not if you have children.