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> That's not how it actually works; price is only bounded by the value is brings, not proportional to it

Price can be whatever the hell someone feels like asking for something, which already invalidates your claim. I can ask for $500k for a bucket of shit, but you probably wouldn't be willing to pay it.

But there's a set price already, staring you in the face, making your claim look silly.

Now what you might be getting at is that the price you're willing to pay is bounded by the value you perceive in something, and that's certainly correct.

People aren't willing to pay for air because they have all the air they could possibly want to use at their disposal already. Air just is there. The fact that you can't survive without air doesn't mean you assign an extremely high valuation to it. You don't even think about air, let alone how much you'd be willing to pay for some in some specific situation.

> Sure they can; they've always have! Roads, cops, healthcare, education; hell, you're European, you should know.

You're just showing your ignorance here. None of the things you listed are actually free, as in, without cost. All of the services you listed are provided by people working in exchange for money, and the money has to come from somewhere, and it's not free. Someone needs to do something productive to pay for all of that, and.. well, it's actually our hard-earned money they're spending. Go figure.

> Maybe expanding it to the levels of allowing everyone to not work is (still?) unrealistic

That much we can agree on.

> claiming "things can't be handed out for free" is silly

Nice strawman there. That's not a claim I've made. Read again.