[TeMPOraL]

> Most recruiters will not share this information until you have gone through the process more. What is to stop you from ignoring them and contacting companies directly once they give this?

Common courtesy. Not giving company name is a sign that the deal with the recruiter will likely not be a "win-win" arrangement.

> This is a poor choice and will drive away recruiters.

I think that's sort of a point of that form. There's way too much recruiter spam in tech, so it's good for you to get rid of the more exploiting ones.

> You should be more interested in the opportunity not the exact pay. This looks like a money grab. Having a good career is more important than a dollar figure.

I don't think this really applies to most programming jobs; the current trend in tech is to switch a job every couple of years.

[rilita]

I agree it is reasonable to share the company name once you express interest. It is not reasonable to need it to decide whether you will even speak to the recruiter.

If your desire is just to weed out recruiters, why not just say "fuck off" and see which ones still persist. This is nearly equivalent.

The whole attitude of "I want to know the salary since I intend to switch again in a couple of years" is exactly why I wouldn't hire people with this attitude.

[TeMPOraL]

> I agree it is reasonable to share the company name once you express interest. It is not reasonable to need it to decide whether you will even speak to the recruiter.

Fair enough.

> If your desire is just to weed out recruiters, why not just say "fuck off" and see which ones still persist. This is nearly equivalent.

That's actually the reverse filter - it would weed out the ones you'd like to talk about, and leave out spammers.

> The whole attitude of "I want to know the salary since I intend to switch again in a couple of years" is exactly why I wouldn't hire people with this attitude.

In tech, most people you're recruiting already have a job. So I want to know the salary as an input for consideration if I care to leave my current position.

This circles back to the company name issue - if I am to treat a new job primarily as an "opportunity" for doing something good/interesting, I'll need to know a lot more than just what kind of skills they're looking for. I'd like to do my own research, and for that, I need the company name.

[rilita]

You would be surprised at recruiters tolerance for being told off. I have experimented with some and they actually take it very well. They are human beings, as long as you are real they will respond in term.

I don't say something like that until they know me a bit though. I have asked my current consultant group "What happens if I tell you to fuck off?" The guy responded "Well I wouldn't like it, but you do your job well and I wouldn't take it personally."