[cwyers]

I don't know that the definitional argument is worth having, but Python is more mainstream than Dart by a good deal.

[tmc2]

I didn't realize factual corrections need to be cleared by a committee that decides which languages matter.

("More mainstream" is a moving goalpost fallacy.)

[coldtea]

Mainstream is not a "moving goalpost fallacy". It was stated from the starting comment that he was talking about a "mainstream" language.

Of course the "mainstreamity" of languages is hard to determine, but Dart is so low in any kind of related metric that makes this a non-issue.

Let's put it this way: the Dart team announced a few months ago that they'd be concentrating on transpiling [1] and they won't put the VM officially in Chrome, and nobody gave much of a fuck judging from reactions in blogs, forums, HN etc.

If a mainstream language changed something, even something minor, there would have been blood (as it often happens).

[1] http://www.infoworld.com/article/2902074/javascript/google-d...

[tmc2]

> nobody gave much of a fuck

I don't at all mind your saying so, but it might be frowned on around here.

> Mainstream is not a "moving goalpost fallacy".

Why can't you read?

[wtallis]

Would you care to propose an objective criterion by which Dart is within an order of magnitude of the popularity or prevalence of Python?

[munificent]

That depends on if you define "mainstream" to mean "lots of users" or "similar to the kinds of things with lots of users".

If I write songs that sound like Taylor Swift but no one knows who I am, do I make "mainstream" music? Personally, I would say yes.

[pandler]

> If I write songs that sound like Taylor Swift but no one knows who I am, do I make "mainstream" music? Personally, I would say yes.

You might make mainstream music but you yourself are not mainstream.

[tmc2]

That's a loaded question, in that it's notoriously difficult to measure, and you already know the answer, but here:

http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index....

Surprised?