[emp_zealoth]

Every time i read about stuff like that i get mad. Attitude regarding software is just criminal. You wouldn't let internt/inexperienced people design mechanical parts of the plane. Engineers are bound by standards regarding everything. Materials, mechanical couplings, documentation. when i design a machine, i can't scribble it on a napkin and ship it. Why is it acceptable for idiots to write messy, unintelligible code? When i create a mechanical drawing, i am bound by rules how to draw it. With coding everyone has their own ideas. When i design a machine i have to make sure it will work, period. Calculations to be done no matter how i don't have to spend thousand of man-hours fiddling with it to see if it works as intended

the apologetic attitude needs to stop. programs are just complicated machines and should be treated as such not some mystical voodo that will be broken no matter what

[tormeh]

I think you're glorifying engineers here. They're a lot more careful, but they don't have some fairy pixie dust of rigor that makes everything work perfectly.