[lispm]

> So what's stopped these from getting to Emacs' level of popularity?

Emacs is not an editor. Emacs is a family of editors. You are probably talking about GNU Emacs.

They never tried and it would not make sense. GNU Emacs exists already and supports Lisp development very well. The other tools have concentrated on other things: GUI-based IDEs for Lisp.

[regularfry]

> Emacs is not an editor. Emacs is a family of editors. You are probably talking about GNU Emacs.

You tell me, you brought it up!

> They never tried and it would not make sense. GNU Emacs exists already and supports Lisp development very well. The other tools have concentrated on other things: GUI-based IDEs for Lisp.

Emacs is for more than Lisp development, though. It's not popular because you can do Lisp in it, it's popular because you can do everything in it. So we're back to my earlier question, which is why we haven't seen major, broad-based wins for Common Lisp, on the scale that we have for other languages.

[lispm]

> You tell me, you brought it up!

I talked about GNU Emacs.

> Emacs is for more than Lisp development, though.

Not Emacs, GNU Emacs. That's what I wrote.

> we haven't seen major, broad-based wins for Common Lisp, on the scale that we have for other languages.

Common Lisp tends to be used in very specialized areas. It's a complex language.

Though sometimes it has been used where you don't see it, but you may be affected. American Express runs a Lisp based system checking credit card transactions. Should be running for two decades or longer. Amazon was using Lisp to compute some stuff on their shopping pages. CIA and NSA use it to spy on us. Lots of aircrafts (Airbus & Boeing) and cars (Jaguar, Ford, ...) were designed with Lisp-based CAD systems. NASA uses it for checking software correctness. Chip makers like AMD have used it to check processor designs for correct operations. There are many of those applications. Google's flight search engine has its core written in Lisp. Dwave wrote the software for their quantum processor in Lisp. There is a broadband internet of satellite company running Lisp on their antennas. Parts of the precursor software of Apple's Siri were written in Lisp. That's the stuff what it was originally was designed for...