[coldtea]

>No, "hackers" are people which means they're no better, or worse, than others.

Obviously everyone is people (fallible, etc). That doesn't mean each subculture doesn't have standards and ideology that its members ascribe too (even when those are not 100% explicit in the "10 commandments" sense).

>Why are you trying to make the subculture out to be something it isn't?

Because the very notion of a "subculture" means members share some specific attributes.

If they didn't, then a site like "Hacker News" wouldn't even make sense to follow, in the sense that it would be exactly the same as any other mass culture social voting site, e.g. Digg, Reddit's front page, etc. You might argue that the only shared attributes are an interest in hacking and computers (and startups). Then again, others would argue.

[mreiland]

well today you learned that isn't an attribute of the hacker culture.