[learnstats2]

I've been on the other side of this and it was absolutely fine.

I asked for fair market value, i.e. I understood I was asking for less than my value to the company. When this elicited a bitchy response along the lines of what you have said, I understood enough about the company to find a better job.

Companies that won't negotiate with you over salary, won't negotiate with you over anything. A toxic place to work.

[gjmulhol]

There is an argument to be made that it is better for a company to make a fair offer and not negotiate. There have been long patterns in many industries that people who negotiate harder get better results, leading to large wage gaps (particularly between genders). A fair, open, honest, and frank discussion about the position of the company is best, but I think a hard negotiation creates a norm that can be toxic.

[learnstats2]

> people who negotiate harder get better results, leading to large wage gaps (particularly between genders).

This can only be true if companies are not making fair offers in the first place, i.e. the wage gaps result from a culture of underpaying employees.

I agree that this should be better addressed, but forbidding employees from negotiating is only harmful.