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by JoshTriplett 4058 days ago
As mentioned in my previous comment, NaCl and Pepper are not the same thing. Browsers could support NaCl without committing to support Pepper.

> Secondly, it's based on a self-contained open source spec that constitutes a logical subset of another widely-supported open spec (ECMAScript) - no convoluted

I'm going to have to stop right there. asm.js is a lot of things, but "not convoluted" is certainly not one of them. asm.js involves compiling native code to JavaScript in the hopes that browsers will translate it back to some semblance of the same native code.
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vesinisa 4058 days ago
The level of "convoluted" depends on which level you want to look at. The asm.js spec is dead-simple, almost purely "mathematical" if you like. But if you require that whatever GCC/clang would have outputted for a specific C file is the exact same binary code that gets executed in the browser, then yes - you are not getting that. But then again, asm.js just - on a high level - specifies the primitive low-level constructs that C/C++ programs employ. Mapping them to instructions is a pretty straightforward job, but of course you are not getting 100% exact same results on every browser - just like you are probably not getting 100% exact same results from clang and GCC for the same C source code.
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JoshTriplett 4058 days ago
It's more that I'd like browsers not doing an absurd amount of unnecessary work and overhead. Leaving aside opinions on JavaScript as a scripting language for humans, it's not a sensible intermediate format for compiled binaries. It happens to work as a (very impressive) hack.
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acqq 4058 days ago
Even if it doesn't appear to be for those who don't consider the whole context it's a reasonably effective intermediate format. The current success of it among the vendors proves that.
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cwyers 4058 days ago
But supporting NaCl without Pepper means no existing NaCl apps will work, so you have to somehow hope that NaCl apps without Pepper will be written.
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JoshTriplett 4058 days ago
Have to start somewhere. In the interim, people will use it to build compatibility layers for the Pepper APIs, such as a better pepper.js (https://trypepperjs.appspot.com/).
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