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I'm not afraid to admit that I still do table-centric HTML design on occasion (disclaimer: for specific, usually non-public, uses); it's really not all that much worse semantically than the current trend of "oh I'll assign a grid-three-seventeenths-or-whatever-the-fuck CSS class to this div in WangularStrap.js", considering that in both cases you're embedding formatting information in the data being presented (and therefore totally missing the point of "semantic" web programming).