[dmishe]

Let's include gun ownership stats in this, some state or a city maybe.

[rbcgerard]

agreed - comparing the UK's relatively unarmed populace is not a good comparison.

The problem is that the U.S. is very heterogeneous when it comes to crime and gun laws: Hawaii (strict gun laws, and safe) Illinois (strict gun laws, unsafe) Vermont (loose gun laws, safe) Louisiana (loose gun laws, unsafe)