[itistoday2]

Microsoft would be stupid to not offer to port Cocoa apps.

How else are they supposed to convince developers such as myself to even consider buying a PC? With Apple dropping the ball with Yosemite, the opportunity is ripe for Microsoft to compete for quality devs and quality apps.

[coldtea]

This sounds like reasoning from some parallel universe to me. First, Apple hasn't dropped any ball with Yosemite.

It's it's as good as it ever was. People have been complaining for every major release since 10.2 how the OS gotten more buggier, etc. Then a couple of point updates come and fix any major new bugs and the stop. Then, sometime around 10.x.6-8 a new version is relased and then they complain for the next release and remember the old one fodly. I have articles and blog posts with similar complaints from 10.5 and 10.7 and 10.8 and 10.9 with the same pattern. Even for 10.6, which was mostly a no-new-features release.

Second, even if they had, there's not much value in "offering to port Cocoa apps". Major apps are already cross platform (from Adobe stuff and Eclipse/Idea, to Cubase, Sublime Text and Mathematica, including Office, which MS itselfs makes anyway), and smaller Mac-Only apps don't have much to offer to Windows users, and wouldn't be much outside of the Mac ecosystem anyway.

You'd get what, Pixelmator and BBEdit? There are 4-5 established alternatives in Windows for each piece of Mac software.

[mightykan]

This is a case of “works on my machine.” There are serious[1] documented[2] issues[3] with Yosemite[4] that were not there in the previous OS X release, and, after multiple point updates still haven not been fixed. Apple has dropped the ball. The general quality of the OS, apps, integration and fit and finish has decreased tremendously.

[1]: http://arstechnica.com/apple/2015/01/12/why-dns-in-os-x-10-1...

[2]: http://osxdaily.com/2015/04/06/windowserver-high-cpu-usage-m...

[3]: http://osxdaily.com/2015/04/10/fix-finder-problems-mac-os-x/

[4]: http://osxdaily.com/2015/04/17/fix-slow-folder-populating-cl...

[coldtea]

>This is a case of “works on my machine.”

Nope, I even have had a couple of issues (wifi related) which were solved in .2 update. But I also know that I had this or that issue everytime since 10.2 when I started using the OS. I also know I had tons of issues in Linux (been using it since 1997) and Windows (since 3.1), and I'm also a programmer, so I don't have BS expectations from something as huge as a complete OS and apps distro.

So, it's mostly a case of "have been following this space since 2002, including reading most forums, trade mags and blogs, so have a feel for what people compain about."

>There are serious[1] documented[2] issues[3] with Yosemite[4] that were not there in the previous OS X release, and, after multiple point updates still haven not been fixed.

Nothing special about those issues you posted. I post below a list of issues for Mavericks (tried to find similar or even the same). I can find for you similar items even down to 10.2, including lamenting articles about "buggiest release ever", etc.

As for the "and after multiple point updates still haven not been fixed", first we're at 10.9.3. So multiple is just 3 releases. Usually we get up to 7 or 8. And some even carry over or get fixed in the next version, especially if they don't affect many people.

And before dismissing "works for me" casually because of some issues online, note that with a user base in the 100s of millions, even a bug affecting 0.1% (with some weirdo network setup, bad HD sectors, broken hardware, haxies etc), it will still be reported by tens of thousands and appear bigger than it is.

Kernel task high cpu in Mavericks: https://www.google.gr/search?q=kernel+process+high+cpu+maver...

Broken DNS resolution in Lion / Mavericks: http://www.makingitscale.com/2011/fix-for-broken-search-doma... http://www.eigenspace.org/2011/07/fixing-osx-lion-dns-search...

Mavericks Finder bugs: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5467931?start=30&tstart... http://macperformanceguide.com/blog/2014/20140213_1-Maverick...

Mavericks Slow Finder: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5505550?tstart=0 http://osxdaily.com/2013/11/13/fix-finder-slow-high-cpu-use-... http://www.tweaking4all.com/os-tips-and-tricks/macosx-tips-a... http://www.reddit.com/r/osx/comments/1pj5cc/finder_very_slow...

More bugs for Mavericks: http://www.wired.com/2013/10/mavericks-issues-and-fixes/ http://www.macworld.com/article/2059577/bugs-and-fixes-a-rou...

10.5 Finder Data Loss bug: http://www.macintouch.com/leopard/movebug.html

[itistoday2]

I've been a Mac user since OS 7. Don't reinvent history.

Since 10.0, OS X got progressively better with every release up to 10.4. After that things got progressively worse.

Your are only proving our point.

[coldtea]

>I've been a Mac user since OS 7. Don't reinvent history.

Reinvent what?

>Since 10.0, OS X got progressively better with every release up to 10.4. After that things got progressively worse.

That things "got progressively worse" is just your opinion, not some general consensus. As I noted, others say 10.6 was the best. Others that 10.8 was the last great one. Others that 10.9 was just as good, but 10.10 blew it.

Heck, read Siracussa, for one, does he say that 10.4 was the pinaccle?