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by thomaskcr 4069 days ago
My biggest frustration with MS is their licensing is infuriating. Doing cleanup during the audit took a ridiculous amount of resources and every company gave us a different answer on what needs to be licensed differing by 1000s of dollars sometimes.

The other is the barrier to entry. I was trying to get NAV2015 working for a demo using some data for a project, I spent at least 20 hours trying to figure out who to pay (Azure comes with it installed but no license -- why not just sell a bundled license into the hourly cost?) -- eventually gave up and set up OpenERP in like 30 minutes, spent 3 hours adding the feature I needed and was done. NAV is unquestionably better for this project, but I'm not going to enter into a support contract with a company just to get a license.
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MichaelGG 4069 days ago
That's neat though. Shop around for the cheapest reseller, let them make the mistakes or miscalculation, enjoy?

I'm guessing it comes down to virtual cores and such, right? Although I'm surprised how many stupid-simple mistakes people make just by not reading even the basics. (Wait MSDN includes several Office keys, so obviously they don't want us to buy Office licenses for administrative assistants.)

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thomaskcr 4069 days ago
See, even you're a bit confused by MSDN -- You're not even supposed to use the MSDN license for your own everyday use is what I've been told. So if you have outlook for email and you're using an MSDN license, that's not correctly licensed. MSDN is ONLY for development. Also it's one MSDN license per developer apparently.

And no because you still get nailed -- it's not like your reseller is the one being audited, it's you.

You're supposed to get CALs for printers accessing MS servers.

Don't ever use an MS server for DHCP, every single client needs a CAL. How am I supposed to even predict that if we allow personal devices on the guest network?

It's beyond frustrating - and the products are great, they just make it impossible to actually ever be in compliance and you need to spend an insane amount of time just handling licenses. It's really the reason I avoid MS as much as possible, and I really love their dev tools (Visual Studio is beyond awesome, I love C#.net) its just too much hassle.

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MichaelGG 4069 days ago
No I'm not confused - I was giving an example of stuff I've heard from clients. MSDN makes it really clear it's for dev not day-to-day ops. But people don't get that.

I'd be surprised if you get "nailed" if a reseller went over a scenario and licensed you. Worst case is if they can prove maliciousness and fine you. If the reseller calculated things and came to a reasonable (but lower) number I'd be surprised if that's gonna really hurt.

Agreed though that MS's licensing is terribly annoying. But it's a lower Total Cost of Ownership, right?!

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thomaskcr 4069 days ago
Ah sorry, yes I was one of those people -- we had like half an office using MSDN licenses. Just didn't know better (they give us 10, we'll buy another MSDN license when we run out!).
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