[DRMacIver]

> I think you're equally missing the point– for serious Haskell programmers, using a monad to structure computation for a CRUD app is nothing to write home about. Having personally written quite a lot of CRUD code with Haskell, I have never thought "Gee, I wrote this with a monad. I deserve a back pat."

Missingthepointception!

It's almost like I didn't explicitly point to this as a phase most serious Haskell programmers grow out of right in the goddamn article.

[iand675]

Yeah, sorry for not addressing that. I guess what I'm getting at is that I don't agree with the fundamental premise of the article. I don't really see "a large enough subset of the Haskell community never reaches that stage and just continues to delight in how clever they are for writing Haskell", and I've used Haskell for about 9 years now. Where are these people?

[DRMacIver]

They're mostly the hobbyists. They're also the people you encounter in other languages (e.g. Scala) telling you how much better this all would be if you just understood Haskell. Unfortunately, due to the relative lack of success of Haskell in industry this is the majority of the people who consider themselves Haskell programmers, and certainly the majority I encounter on the internet.