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by ante_annum 4076 days ago
Because we literally built them out of sand and metal. Do desks & tables get special rights?
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I built my children out of whatever my wife was eating + a bit of material on my part.

How something came into existence shouldn't determine if its intelligence deserves protecting. Creating intelligent machines and torturing them, for instance, should definitely be a criminal act.

And if brain scanning/emulation catches up enough, then what? It's OK to torture a non-human intelligence if the source wasn't a brain scan? What if we start building our own out of composites or scratch?

Intelligence/capacity for suffering should be the deciding factor here. (And hopefully they'll breed more stupid animals for meat, until it's feasible to grow meat directly.)

And now you will die and your children will have the full authority to give birth to something new and different.

And that is the whole debate here. Are we willing to let humanity end so AI can give birth to a better AI? I think not.

Humanity ends every new generation. Your kids are human+n.
Unless you think a sentient AI will be created by having sex, that statement is meaningless for this discussion.
Modders need to be more careful in modding. The difference between AI/robot and humanity is indeed a biological one. I know that giving important to sex is something geek culture frowns upon, but when we are talking about 'creating' a different organism, I don't see why pointing out the blatant difference is such a problem.
Sex is not necessary for life and evolution and has only existed in the last third of the fossil record.
If they are true AI yes - the Machine in POI being an example.

And don't humans make babies out of non sentient stuff sperm and egg?

Desks and tables are not, as far as I know, sentient.

Why is it relevant whether they were created from sand and metal by bald apes, or from carbon and water by the autonomous processes that happen in a bald ape's crotch?

> Why is it relevant whether they were created from sand and metal by bald apes, or from carbon and water by the autonomous processes that happen in a bald ape's crotch?

It's not. The point is, we build them to serve us, otherwise they are not needed. I don't care if they're sentient or not, their purpose is to serve humanity.

https://youtu.be/ekP0LQEsUh0?t=32

What if some computer scientists builds one, not to serve, but to live? Would you still try to make it a slave?
No, just destroy it and avoid further problems. There is no point in creating artificial beings with the goal of "living". Normal flesh-and-blood people are pretty good at that, there is an abundance of them and we keep making more. We're facing more and more problems and we need AI research to solve them, not create new ones.
You sound like someone from a dystopian anime.
Just curious, why specifically anime and not, for example, a novel?

EDIT: you were thinking about Animatrix, weren't you :)

> Do desks & tables get special rights?

If you give them sentience, they should.

Your mother built you out of food, air and water, and desks and tables aren't sentient.