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by dragonwriter 4082 days ago
As I understand, it turned out to be also useful for more than backwards compatibility (though that was entirely the reason for it) -- its why you could have Scala which its richer type system and a good interop story with Java, whereas the attempt to provide the same thing on .NET faltered in large part because of the .NET platforms reification of generics.
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useerup 4082 days ago
It was never about "backwards compatibility". It was always entirely possible to introduce generics and still have both the compiler and the runtime perfectly backwards compatible. C# did this going from version 1 to 2 of the CLR. You can still run any bytecode compiled for version 1 on the version 4 of the runtime to this day.

No, the issue was a much more esoteric one (and an invented and self-inflicted constraint by the designers themselves) of migration compatibility. Consider entity A using compiled libraries (no source available) from vendor R and from vendor S in the same product. Vendor R releases a new version of his library and uses the fancy new generic collections - and refuses to maintain a non-generic version. Vendor S releases a new version of his library but refuses to provide a version that use generic collections. Library S calls code in library R. All of these need to be in place to require migration compatibility.

> its why you could have Scala which its richer type system and a good interop story with Java, whereas the attempt to provide the same thing on .NET faltered in large part because of the .NET platforms reification of generics.

Do you have a source for this? In my view it is the opposite: Reification is the right solution as it makes reified types part of the first-class system with no strange corner cases. It is type erasure that treats realized generic types as second-class citizens, with strange constraints bubbling up through the entire system.

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dragonwriter 4082 days ago
> Do you have a source for this?

There's a lot of second-hand discussion of this readily locatable on Google, but I haven't saved and can't readily find the posts from people actually involved in implementing Scala on .NET that I saw years ago that directly pointed to this as a problem.

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