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by lispm 4084 days ago
Hmm, I just started Logic on my computer and it uses native windows and lots of native UI. There is a main window, preferences window, help window, keyboard window, colors window, metronom settings, ... there is a menu bar with ten menus - native. There are native open/save dialogs, ...

None of that is in Pharo. It uses a clunky font, clunky windows, clunky shadows on windows, clunky resizing of the main window, its own open/save dialogs, its own finder, ...

Looks dated to me...
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kilon 4084 days ago
I have not been using Logic that much, but I can assure you Ableto and Reason are custom drawn GUI all the way and so are the vast majority of VST instruments and effects.

Fonts that comes with Pharo by default is a bitmap font, you can replace it with any TrueType font in Pharo settings.

You can have setting windows, open/save dialogs, color windows and much more with Pharo's GUI. There is even a window manager that can help you manage multiple windows. Tab support , and much more.

If you hate Pharo GUI so much , dont use Pharo, nobody forces you to. None in the Pharo community has a problem improving the GUI (the GUI is actually improved in every release of Pharo) or even supporting native GUIs ( https://marsonpharo.wordpress.com/ ) but the community is very small and I think they are doing a great job for their size.

Personally I really like the GUI :)

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lispm 4084 days ago
> You can have setting windows, open/save dialogs, color windows and much more with Pharo's GUI.

That's not the point. It is just not used by the software itself.

> Personally I really like the GUI :)

I like the GUI of my Lisp Machine. But very very few people use it and it is behind the times in many ways.

> If you hate Pharo GUI so much

Pointing out that it is dated and clunky is not 'hating' it. If somebody asks me how a UI for development tool should look like, I would point out the importance of a native look and feel. Lighttable for example. A recent development. It's not really native. It uses complex web stuff on the desktop. Fail.

True, cross-platform development is tough. But it's somewhat possible. Example: https://www.jetbrains.com/idea/

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