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by manulp 4082 days ago
>The investigation will attempt to determine whether Google is using its position to discourage the inclusion of rival applications on Android-based phones.

Shouldn't this also apply to iOS?

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I don't see any way to even ask the question sensibly about iOS.

Google supplies an OS (Android) to non-Google phone makers, and Google supplies applications to non-Google phone makers. The potential antitrust issue is if Google is using its position as an OS supplier to other companies to influence those other companies to also choose Google for applications.

Apple supplies neither an OS nor applications to non-Apple phone makers. There is no third party that Apple is using iOS to influence toward choosing Apple applications.

> Shouldn't this also apply to iOS?

Perhaps, but the set of entities behind the complaints that triggered the investigations directed at Google are specifically targeting Google.

If a similar group targets Apple, then maybe we'll see a similar investigation.

By entities, you mean the Microsoft funded astroturf organization FairSearch and the hydra connected to it.
It's not really "astroturf"ing when FairSearch prominently displays that it's an organization owned by Microsoft on their about page: http://www.fairsearch.org/about/

(Meanwhile, Google goes out of their way to hide their ownership of the Open Handset Alliance, burying the first mention of their name on like the third page of members.)

Jake, is that you? (Jake Weisz made an almost identical assertion on G+) Do you not understand the concept of alphabetic ordering?

Do you really believe Google is trying to hide their relationship to the OHA? The OHA was announced and formed on Day 1 of the Android release (http://www.openhandsetalliance.com/press_110507.html)

No one out there is under any illusion that Google didn't put together and lead this consortium. What else would they do? You make an OS, one that is free of charge and open, and you need hardware and software partners onboard, the only way to do that is to adopt some venue for collaboration.

Also, I would hardly consider the OHA's MADA a "venue for collaboration". A venue for control, sure. Collaboration, no.
Have you attended any OHA meetings? You're making quite a lot of unbacked up assertions.

Microsoft for years ran many working groups for hardware partners, for example, the Microsoft groups for DirectX which allowed NVidia, AMD, et al, to influence and collborate on common specs. Microsoft "led" the discussion, but NVidia and AMD were clearly able to influence the specs because the API had to be rationalized around real, existing, and upcoming hardware designs in the pipeline.

You have a habit to attributing negative and conspiratorial agendas to everything.

Oh, hey. Thought I recognized the name, Ray. :)

But yes, they are. Look at the front page of the OHA site, Google is not named. Nor are they named in the OHA's Overview, like it's about page. You have to go into Members, and then Software Companies, and on that page, four pages deep, Google puts itself as the sixth name down. Bit shifty.

Furthermore, while all other Google websites link directly to Google's terms of service, the OHA site puts a stub page in between, rather than linking directly to it, as would be standard par for the course.

Google takes exceptional measures to distance themselves from control of the OHA, which they most certainly have.

In my opinion, yes, and it would be beneficial for most citizens if the EU intervened.
Yes. And that doesn't detract from the validity of the claims against Google.
Absolutely. I'm just a bit surprised that such charges have never been brought against Apple.
That's more than likely because Apple has never really held market dominance for a substantial period of time.
Thanks to Android and Google. If Google had never released Android, you might be looking at an even more locked in monopoly, one far worse than the Wintel Duopoly of the 90s.
And then Apple would be in the same boat Google is in now. Of course, had Google been willing to create an open source OS without using an illegal trust to maintain control of it... well, then everyone would be in the clear.
Not really. Majority of the Android market are cheap devices, not 700$ ones.