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by seanmcdirmid 4081 days ago
This is why academia sucks so badly: they think because some features were released in some projects that "there is nothing new under the sun." Bull! There is still a lot to be explored and none of those projects you listed contain much of the live programming story at all (Chris Hancock at MIT did flogo II, which is more relevant than the Lisp and smalltalk projects).

To make any progress at all, we just need to stop listening to those who are living in the glory of a past that wasn't so great anyways.
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ticking 4079 days ago
They didn't contain much of the live programming story?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox5P7QyL774

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ka4KY7TMTU

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lmm 4081 days ago
But LT hasn't achieved either half. It's not an innovative research project. And it's not a polished consumer product.
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zubairq 4080 days ago
Did any of you guys even use Light Table. I bet you didn't as it did some pretty amazing stuff that no other IDE could touch!
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ticking 4079 days ago
Yes, I also dug into its codebase. Have you actually used Self for example?
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zubairq 4079 days ago
I guess if you are trying to use Light Table as "the uber clojure IDE" then it was never a goal for Light Table. Intellij Cursive is probably a better editor for that. Light Table's aim was for a form of interactive programming. Anyway, using an editor as an end user is very different to just playing around with its source code, although I applaud that you have done that. I will look into "Self" some more as I don't know enough about it. Do you have some good links on Self to get me started?
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ticking 4078 days ago
http://www.selflanguage.org

You should watch the videos on the introduction page and play a bit with the system, it's interesting to see how much interactivity and liveliness was already achieved in the 80s/90s,

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