[vonmoltke]

You specifically said engineers must be licensed. That is factually incorrect. It is also not the position of IEEE to make "engineer" a protected term (much to the chagrin of Canadians).

> ABET accreditation requires that a person graduate from an accredited program and degree, the only degree that applies here is Software Engineer.

Wrong again. First off, there are 271 ABET-accredited Computer Science degree programs. Holders of those CS degrees are eligible to call themselves engineers by the IEEE's criteria as well as to sit a PE exam. Second, the subject of the degree is irrelevant. I have a a Bachelor's of Science in Electrical Engineering, but have been an electrical engineer, systems engineer, and software engineer at various points of my career. I do not have to stop using "engineer" just because I lose the "electrical". I can sit for any PE exam I wish.

> (You) For a program to be ABET the instructors must be Professional Engineers

> (ABET) The overall competence of the faculty may be judged by such factors as ... licensure as Professional Engineers

How did "may" turn into "must"? I wonder how my university has been pulling the wool over ABET's eyes for so long, since most of the engineering professors are not PEs. Hell, I don't think some of them have any industry experience at all.

[c4b3r42]

You are wrong about IEEE and ABET programs that can call themselves engineer. This is from the IEEE publication posted above: "It is our position that the title, “Engineer,” in the United States should be available for use by individuals who have graduated with an engineering degree from an ABET/EAC accredited program of engineering education (or its equivalent). " IEEE's position is you must graduate from a ABET accredited Engineering program. Computer Scientists are not Software Engineers.