[mod]

Nothing is altruistic.

I'm not sure why you're picking on these guys in particular.

[dublinben]

I'm not "picking on" anyone. I'm just reflecting that it would be refreshing if the subjects of this discussion would express some self-awareness. It's hardly surprising that they aren't.

[mod]

I've found that most people who help others readily admit that they do it because it makes them feel good.

Maybe my anecdote goes against the norm?