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by dataker 4090 days ago
> A:During the beta period logs are kept for 24 hours, once beta is complete there will be no call log records.

Is there a particular reason to do so during their beta?

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Not associated with Ghost Call but my expectation is that they'd use the logs for debugging major bugs during the beta period. Kind of hard to identify and reproduce transient issues without those logs.
You hit it on the head. I am not interesting in anything but calls not working. After that I have no need or want for the data.
I think anyone that's built a complicated system before gets it implicitly.
If there are logs to be kept to begin with, I'd be very skeptical about any "anonymous" and "secure" claims. If it requires trust, then it isn't.
Every computer has logs. If you interact with a server, you can't avoid it. Until we have decentralized apps, trust on this is unavoidable.

ZRTP and the sign-up process means it will be hard to connect the little metadata they have, so they've narrowed down the amount they're trusted with by a large margin

Which is exactly my point. There shouldn't be anything for a 'server' to 'log'. If there is, then it's not anonymous, not 'secure' either depending on the definition you use, and it should not be advertised as such.

At best, it's pseudonymous.

No. Wrong. I'm not affiliated but clearly they are keeping the logs around for 24h during the beta-testing of the service in order to troubleshoot any bugs founds. That would be a lot harder to do without logs.

But they're not claiming to offer anonymity during the beta period I imagine, once the service is out of beta then they claim their service to be secure and anonymous.

You're either splitting hairs or being uncharitable.

It doesn't matter. Even if they're not keeping logs, there is no way for you to confirm that they're not keeping logs. To them, you are not anonymous, simple as that.
If logs include useful call information, then it might be useful for debugging purposes. Without a log, you'd have no idea what happened.

That said, that's just a guess.