[mbrubeck]

Also worth noting, for those who don't already know, that Apple has not participated in any of the W3C efforts to standardize Pointer Events or Touch Events.

In fact, Apple worked to hinder the standardization and implementation of Touch Events, by applying for patents on the API and refusing to license them under the W3C patent policy. So it's a bit rich for Apple to criticize other browsers for not implementing an API that Apple was trying to keep proprietary. (Or to chastise other vendors about compatibility when they won't even participate in the relevant standards groups.)

[camhenlin]

Please show documentation where Apple refused to license under W3C patent policy. From everything that I have seen, things went more like this: Apple was doing due diligence and reported their patents to the W3C. The W3C then abandoned the recommendation process at that time without pursuing patent licensing discussions of any kind with Apple.

[mbrubeck]

> Please show documentation where Apple refused to license under W3C patent policy.

Sure. From the TE-PAG report, Apple expressly excluded its Touch Events patent claims from the W3C patent policy:

    Patent Advisory Groups are formed when patent claims are asserted
    against or expressly excluded from royalty-free implementations of W3C
    Recommendations.  That happened here when Apple excluded certain of its
    patents and patent applications for the Touch Events Specification.

Source: http://www.w3.org/2012/te-pag/pagreport.html

> W3C then abandoned the recommendation process at that time without pursuing patent licensing discussions of any kind with Apple.

Not true. After five months of work, the PAG officially recommended in July 2012 that the Working Group continue developing the Touch Events spec, which it did for over a year before publishing Touch Events as a W3C Recommendation in October 2013: http://w3.org/TR/touch-events/

The PAG repeatedly invited Apple to meetings and requested other information from them; Apple never replied to any of our communications. This is recorded in the document above, as well as the PAG meeting minutes.

Disclosure: I am co-editor of the W3C Touch Events spec, and a member of the Touch Events Patent Advisory Group.

[camhenlin]

Thank you, I've never actually seen that information compiled in one place.