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>GM has been part of many morally questionable practices. I think GM was on a terrible course from the mid 1970's to the early 2000's

Yeah, erm.. about that timeline.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2014/02/18/gm-cobal...

I think it's safe to say GM didn't exactly clean up its act after the early 2000's. If I did that same thing with my small business, I'd probably be charged with manslaughter by gross negligence... or perhaps outright murder since I knowingly allowed innocent people to die in order to rake in more cash.

> If it was, I wouldn't work here.

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Every death and injury caused by those ignition switch failures was a tragedy. The attitude of the managers involved was wrong. The technical understanding of the complete system was unacceptable. It should not have taken as long as it did, and the defects should not have left the planning process, much less the plant.

That being said, I do still think that the course was changing. The ignition switch in question was designed in 1997. Vehicles are hideously complicated; Conway's Law[1] would indicate that the organizations involved would also be hideously complicated, and they are! The Valukas report mentioned above calls out specific shortcomings in this regard.

If your small business produced vehicles on the scale of GM, I would be very very surprised!

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway%27s_law

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>The attitude of the managers involved was wrong.

That's a very corporate shill way of putting it. Their actions were murderous. They let people DIE.

Do you not GET THIS somehow or are you attempting to gloss over this issue?

>If your small business produced vehicles on the scale of GM, I would be very very surprised!

Please don't be disingenuous with artful dodging. You're not smart enough to get away with that with me, sorry. I'm VERY OBVIOUSLY not discussing an issue of complexity, I was discussing an issue of ethics and morality.

It's an issue where GM knew they were killing people and did nothing about it for a long time because it wasn't profitable.

No wonder the GM corporate culture is so twisted. You're trying to turn this around as an attack on my supposedly "simple" business instead of owning up to the fact you work for a scummy corporation that killed people in the name of the almighty buck.

You may not want to face that fact and instead go running to another wikipedia link on humorous adages in hopes of distraction, but I'm not falling for it, guy.

People are dead because of your company's lack of ethics. GET IT?

If your goal here is to be public relations for GM, you're failing miserably and I suggest you move along. You're just making me resent GM even more. If you were my PR person, I'd fire you for incompetence.

But, that's how I run MY business anyway.