[Someone1234]

I think work life balance has become worse everywhere, but it seems like in the US in particular it has become much much worse since the 1950s (i.e. no more 9-5, 5 days a week).

I actually do work a 9-5 job in tech' in government, but I am more the exception than the rule. Many people seem to be working an hour more, and up to three to four hours more (e.g. 8 to 7, or 7 to 7) in other local places (and certainly in SV).

If my start up ever gets off the ground and I bring people in, I am going to strongly encourage a 9-5 by 5 day working environment with vacations, because I feel like if you ask for more you're exchanging short term productivity for long term productivity (i.e. people burn out, both with a longer work day, but also with no actual seven plus day holidays).

Some people will claim that "startups simply cannot afford that!" but to me that is just the cost of doing business. Stress doesn't make for an efficient employee, and higher turn-over certainly doesn't improve efficiency (for anyone). But I feel like my attitude is very "European" and most Americans see hours worked as a mark of honour and a competitive bargaining chip.

[biafra]

I'd really prefer a 40h work week over 9-5.