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by GuiA 4111 days ago
Is this phenomenon observable in cultures that are generally accepted as more progressively feminist than the US? (e.g. northern European countries, Germany, etc)

I'm not American and I don't know much about feminism, so for me it's hard to tell the proportions with which these ideas come from US culture vs feminism (there are accounts of UK based initiatives, but there is heavy cross pollination between the US and UK student worlds).

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The US is the world leader when it comes to women's studies departments and professional feminists. They set the trend. If this is not in Europe yet, it is about to arrive.
As the article mentions, a lot of the terms and concepts being used existed in feminism as long ago as decades before they became widespread now. I remember this stuff being made fun of in the 80s and 90s when it was considered fringe. I don't really see how anybody can deny the connection.
Anecdotally, yes.
This sounds like a conclusion looking for evidence. What's with the interest in blaming this on feminism?
I think that the parent comment is merely interested if this exists in societies like Sweden where feminism as a philosophy is more entrenched.

As for why he's asking the question - because activist intersectional feminism appears to be leading the trend towards these safe spaces, I guess? It was the focus of the article ("rape culture" as a concept is, as far as I can tell, a feminist one), although it segued into the racism/Islamophobia at the end.

You're right, I flipped some words in reading the first sentence and thought it was getting at something else. Thanks for clarifying.
A very good reason to generally attack/dismiss feminism IMO is that it is this morphing amoeba-like ideology. One's personal feminism is always different from 'those mainstream feminists', yet you do not see a lot of distancing from some of the very harmful feminist extremists that are around. ("NAFALT" - not all feminists are like that)

It's gotten to the point where the analogue would be to label oneself a 'stalinist libertarian' (because not all stalinists are like that) or other similar nonsense.

I disagree just because an overloaded term is not necessarily a meaningless or low-value term - many of its definitions might be important. I do agree that overloaded terms are frustrating, though.

It also doesn't help that some of the overloading of "feminism" is from its detractors.

A video that might be worth to watch, criticism of feminism from an eloquent woman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp8tToFv-bA