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> of course you may view all of those are insanely expensive

Maybe I'm just cheap, but I do think those are all insanely expensive. Even $64k is more than twice the median annual income in the US, and $78-180k will buy you a decent house in most places that aren't SF/LA/DC/NY.

I can't imagine ever wanting to spend that much money on a depreciating asset that's only major benefit over a $10k Honda Civic is as a status symbol.

I do hope that Tesla succeeds in eventually creating affordable, mass-market electric cars, but it's hard for me to get that excited by their current lineup which serves mainly to help rich dudes feel smug about helping the environment.

[dagw]

depreciating asset that's only major benefit over a $10k Honda Civic is as a status symbol.

Some people think that driving is fun and think of having a car that is fun to drive as a major benefit.

[saiya-jin]

but then you don't go for tesla for proper fun drive, do you ;)

[smackfu]

A Fiesta ST for $22k would meet the "fun to drive" mark.

[mikeash]

But let's say you want to hit multiple marks simultaneously.

I want:

- Comfortable for large people to sit in (I'm 190cm tall).

- Can carry a decent number of people (five being a minimum, more is better... this is why I rejected the Volt as my last car).

- Can carry a decent amount of cargo in addition to 5+ people (this is why I rejected the Ford C-MAX).

- Good fuel efficiency. Prius-level fuel efficiency at a minimum, pure electric is better.

- Good reliability. (Generally the case for most options out there these days, but still important.)

- Good crash safety.

- Fun to drive.

- Affordable.

I'm not too familiar with the Fiesta, but from what I know, it'll hit three of these (fun, reliable, affordable). My last car was a Prius v, which mostly hit all of them except for "fun" (comfort was a bit marginal, there was more than enough room but the seating position was a bit awkward for the driver). When I could afford it, I moved up to the Model S, which hits all marks except for "affordable," and hits most of them better: I can carry 7 people if two of them are small (and they usually are), fuel efficiency is way better, crash safety is among the best, and it's a ton of fun to drive.

It is insanely expensive, and I wish it were cheaper so more people could buy them. But to me, it's worth it.