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by MichaelGG 4106 days ago
So now you DDoS the captcha system. For companies not operating with massive bandwidth and computing power, you can just overwhelm their defenses. Cloudflare can get away with it, because they explicitly set out to be able to "service" those super huge number of requests.

I was working on an anti DDoS system for SIP, a UDP-based protocol. Basically the options were: 1. lockdown, just whitelist known good customers, and break many scenarios. 2. Attempt some kind of analysis, like sending out probes to determine good/bad IPs. 3. Scale the hell up. Write L7 stuff that can go at wire speed, and get lots of wires.

Needless to say, #1 is the easiest to implement, but allows you to get your pipe saturated. #2 requires compute + pipe, and #3 is the only thing that'll really work.

This matters because DDoS'ing a telecom can be very lucrative. I can say with good confidence that demonstrating DDoS capabilities are probably worth 5-6 digits in blackmail against many companies.
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iopq 4106 days ago
Good luck DDoSing ReCAPTCHA, I'll wait
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frankchn 4106 days ago
Greatfire is unique that they want the site to remain accessible to ordinary Chinese users while withstanding the DDoS attack (so they can't blackhole all traffic from China either).

If they put a reCAPTCHA wall in front, the GFW can simply block reCAPTCHA (easy -- it is a Google property and they block everything else from Google anyway) and no one from China can access Greatfire without a VPN. Mission accomplished.

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gcommer 4106 days ago
Assuming the attacker is indeed China:

If the goal was only to block Greatfire for non-VPN users, then they could just use the GFW for that from the start. The use of a DDoS can only imply that China wants the site offline for everyone, even VPN users.

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frankchn 4106 days ago
I think Greatfire is evading the GFW by hiding their mirrored content behind innocent looking websites such that the GFW does not block it. Once the censors discovers a Greatfire node, they block it, but then Greatfire just moves on to another IP address or domain name.

With this DDoS, they are taking the different route of attacking the infrastructure of Greatfire such that they can't serve traffic from China at all. Causing massive bills and outages for Greatfire is probably a bonus, but I don't think that is their main intention.

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