[blawa]

Typical 'let me mock this because hating on MS on HN is cool'

Can you name one build system that people like, and concretely compare how its better than MSBuild, please? Once you do that, please feel free to omit the perfunctory thank you to look unbiased.

Also, this would now be community developed, let me know your github handle and I'll see what contributions you made to make it better (oh wait, that would require actual work and give you 0 internet points)

[edandersen]

My GitHub handle is the same as my HN username. Go nuts. You'll notice I mainly write .NET software but I won't be contributing to MSBuild. MSBuild is becoming irrelevant with ASP.NET 5 and Roslyn.

[72deluxe]

Is it becoming irrelevant for C++ projects though?

[eropple]

No. It's also very much not irrelevant if you build non-web software. (I do games with .NET, and that's not going to be replaced by the kproj stuff anytime soon. Which is kind of a drag, I like that stuff, but such is life.)

[integraton]

Given the abuse and name-calling directed at another person further down in this thread posting under his real name, combined with the persistent attacks on any comment that is perceived to be in any way a criticism of Microsoft, I can't imagine why anyone would ever post under their real name around Microsoft fans.

Edit: I'm just going to point out that even this comment has been downvoted https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9230140

I'm not sure what you guys think this kind of nasty behavior benefits you or your favorite company, or why you believe people don't notice and aren't going to do something about it.

[mynameisvlad]

Do you mean the guy that made fun of the company for open-sourcing their product by posting a PR that completely replaces it with another tool?

He was being incredibly disrespectful and he got called out for it. If he wasn't being such a prick in the first place, maybe people wouldn't call him one.

[integraton]

> If he wasn't being such a prick in the first place, maybe people wouldn't call him one.

There we go. Posted straight from Redmond, no less.

I'm not sure where you guys get off calling another commenter "a prick" over and over again, along with other insults, for a joke pull request, given there is a long history of people (including pretty notably respectable people) creating them. I even listed some in another comment you guys can keep downvoting (because apparently my comments are worse than personally attacking other commenters): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9229987

[mynameisvlad]

I was using the same wording that the other commenter used, because that's what he was. If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

It's a joke PR, sure, but he was being disrespectful. He was insulting everyone who has worked on the product because he feels it's crap. He's entitled to his opinion, sure, but at the same time, he didn't have to state it the way he did. Just because it was a joke PR does not suddenly excuse him from his actions. It's not like it suddenly makes things okay.

He straight up made fun of the product, in a disrespectful way, and was called out for it by the community. You are free to disagree, sure, but there's a reason people reacted the way they did.

And furthermore, my location and the company I work for are completely irrelevant to this discussion. I'd appreciate you not bringing them in. I speak for myself, not my employer.

[eropple]

Joke pull requests waste the time of people who have much better things to do and demeans the immense effort it takes to drag projects to open source at large companies. Being called a prick for doing prickish things is a very light response, and in a functioning culture (one of which which software developers rarely do more than pretend to aspire to, but that's nothing new) it might even be enough to teach him to not do so again.

You know the best part, though? I've probably perturbed more electrons on why MSBuild is a horrible build system, and how its integration with Visual Studio will happily destroy many types of changes in .csproj files, than most people here. My life is worse when I have to deal with it. But despite that, I somehow manage to not cape up for jerks who hurt people. Isn't that weird?

And not one of your "pretty notably respectable people" is a person for whom I had the time of day before you alerted me to their penchant for screwing with other people for fun. A list of meaningless names to buttress the case for hurting other people is remarkably unpersuasive.

[blawa]

Please don't divert my comment. His argument was wrong, it doesn't matter who he's mocking.