[orlandob]

>>Basically you should teach yourself how to build essentialy any CRUD app (blogs, wikis, basic twitter, news site, hacker news, reddit, etc). When you can do that, you're employable--and probably well above average, honestly.

That's a tall order to become barely employable. I'm guessing this is written from a Silicon Valley / SF market perspective?

[richardjordan]

Barely employable? ...Ruby/Rails/Full Stack jobs are so hard to fill it's insane. Starting salaries are in the $130-150k range for mid-level $150k plus for senior and even junior level is a six figure gig. Sure it'll take time to get to a hirable state but it's perfectly doable.

[orlandob]

I've added the full quote to my post.

[mod]

It's not "barely employable," and that's not what I said it was. Rather, it's a solid entry-level position at most agencies.

Also I don't think it's that tall of an order. These "bootcamps" are (arguably) cranking out graduates that (supposedly) know how to do that.

I taught myself over something like a year of spare time (I was in high school), although this was pre-frameworks. Also pre-really-good-tutorials.

Last, I've never been west of Oklahoma. I don't know what your "perspective" comment is on about.