[le_lenny_face]

>Swift is still very new, crashes in the language and in the IDE will not surprise anyone who calls himself a software engineer.

And yet Rust is reliable as fuck even in its current shape.

Swift has no excuse to be so unpredictable, especially given that it's back by a humongous commercial company.

[melling]

Rust hasn't even gone 1.0 and they're doing nightly releases. Just from that, I'd say that it's not ready for production so it hasn't reached "reliable as fuck".

People are shipping production Swift. And as people have already mentioned, these examples were from last year, and many issues have already been fixed.

Anyway, I know it feels good to throw stones but it really adds no value to the conversation.

[pcwalton]

> And yet Rust is reliable as fuck even in its current shape.

I appreciate your vote of confidence in the team, but Rust has been in development for five years at this point, while Swift hasn't. :)

[bydo]

Swift started private development in July 2010.[1] So not quite five years, but pretty close.

1: http://nondot.org/sabre/