[sebastiank123]

Kallithea is partly a fork of our old, legacy version of RhodeCode without all the hard work our engineers spent over the last 12 months in turning an open source project into a real, sophisticated enterprise product.

In more than 30,000 engineering hours our team added exclusive Subversion support, 4x better performance and tons of security fixes (all based on enterprise customer feedback), server-side-mergeable pull requests and maybe the world's most flexible and advanced code review system.

Anyway, I recommend to try out both and choose the one you trust your source code and team's productivity more.

P.S.: RhodeCode Enterprise 3 is free for startups and small teams.

[jordigh]

> Kallithea is partly a fork of our old, legacy version of RhodeCode without all the hard work our engineers spent over the last 12 months in turning an open source project into a real, sophisticated enterprise product.

The marketing-speak, it burns.

You turned your back on us. You lied. You and Marcin repeatedly told us that you were comitted to free software. I don't know if you lied to Marcin as well or if both of you knew that the GPL-ness of Rhodecode was going to disappear.

For a while you had an ambiguous licensing situation where you made it seem like Rhodecode was still somehow GPL'ed, but after a while you apparently tried to revoke permissions on everything. You even threatened with legal action someone who used the code under the GPL license you said you were allowing.

Oh, apparently you even went through with your legal threat:

https://github.com/moparisthebest/unlimit-code/blob/master/r...

And now you're talking about "engineers" and "enterprise" and "real" and "sophisticated".

bkuhn salvaged what he could without trying to get into the legalities of the GPL revoking you did (which the GPL itself forbids), but still I feel very betrayed by what you did with Rhodecode.

edit: more details of the debacle

http://ebb.org/bkuhn/blog/2014/07/15/why-kallithea.html

[sebastiank123]

Reply to comment by jordigh:

Wow, there is someone really angry and offensive here and not really telling the truth ...

It is sad to see how often forks go downhill if they were purely based on ideologies and not with the user and general good for the project in mind.

But anyway, we welcome and fully support everyone to fork our old GPL versions, the world does not need less but more source code management systems, especially since we lost now one of the key players in Google Code.

[bkuhn]

> It is sad to see how often forks go downhill

As can be seen in my blog post and various talks in the subject, the Kallithea community faced two choices: a fork of only the GPLv3'd components, or a lengthy GPL enforcement battle with Rhodecode, who violated the GPL by changing to a non-Free-Software license for code that combined GPL'd software that wasn't copyrighted by Rhodecode.

If Rhodecode would go back to a pure GPLv3 model for its software and develop the software in pubic again, I think the fork could be easily resolved and we could all work together again. Thus, only one simple act of yours would resolve the fork entirely, sebastiank123, will you take that act?

Meanwhile, I'm sure the Free Software user community can make the easy and obvious choice between a community-run, developed-in-public Free Software project that complies with GPLv3 and a for-profit-corporate run, developed-in-private, semi-Open-Source project that has a history of GPLv3 compliance problems.