[Ded7xSEoPKYNsDd]

> This is actually kind of a point for the other side.

I wanted to move the goalpost from "Java is insecure" to "the Java sandbox is insecure". I completely agree with the second statement, so I don't think I made a point for any other side.

[trippy_biscuits]

You made the point that I was trying to make: implementations are not secure. A programming language can follow a philosophy but implementations never quite line up with the theory. We only use implementations of the theory and experience shows that implementations all have vulnerabilities.

[Ded7xSEoPKYNsDd]

I'm sorry if I misrepresented your post, but I feel you do the same to mine. I didn't say the JVM is insecure - I said the sandboxing part of the JVM is insecure and C++ doesn't have anything comparable.