[mhurron]

You're still trying to make developers do everything.

DevOps is not get rid of the Ops team. DevOps is not get rid of the dev team. It is get Ops and Dev to talk and understand each other. Ops should not be completely clueless as to how the developers workflow works. That doesn't mean they are a developer. Development should not be completely clueless about what happens during deployment but that doesn't mean they're on call to handle OS issues.

DevOps is these two teams are working for the same company and same goal, so damn well talk to each other and act like it.

Hint: In a devops work flow, if you were large enough to need a separate ops team, you still have a separate ops team.